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Offseason Review Series: Day 8, The Cincinnati Bengals

Cincinnati Bengals
Division: AFC North
2017 Record: 7-9 (3rd in AFC North)
2017 Statistical Team Rankings
Total Offense – 280.5 YPG (32nd in NFL)
Passing – 195.1 YPG (27th in NFL)
Rushing – 85.4 YPG (31st in NFL)
Points Per Game – 18.1 PPG (26th in NFL)
Total Yards Allowed – 339.1 YPG (18th in NFL)
Passing Yards Allowed – 211.2 YPG (8th in NFL)
Rushing Yards Allowed – 127.9 YPG (30th in NFL)
Points Allowed Per Game – 21.8 (16th in NFL)
Sacks – 41 (T-11th in NFL)
Turnover Differential – -9 (27th in NFL)
Coaching Changes
Offensive Coordinator: Bill Lazor
Bill Lazor entered 2017 as the Bengals QB coach and was promoted to OC last season from week 3 on following the firing of former OC Ken Zampese. The offense looked much better immediately in week 3 taking the Aaron Rodgers led Packers all the way to overtime. The offense overall had peaks and valleys throughout the season, and much of that was attributed to Lazor being forced to use Zampese’s playbook that was implemented in training camp. There has been a ton of cautious optimism for this upcoming season that Lazor, with his own offense being fully implemented this summer, will be able to maximize the most out of the Bengals offense.
Quarterback Coach: Alex Van Pelt
With Lazor ascending to full time OC, the Bengals had a hole at QB coach that needed to be filled. The team elected to go out and sign former NFL quarterback Alex Van Pelt. Van Pelt had most recently been the QB coach of the Green Bay Packers since 2014. Aaron Rodgers publicly stated after the move was made that he was unhappy that the team allowed Van Pelt to walk without consulting him, which could be a testament to the strength of the relationship between Rodgers and Van Pelt. In any case, the Bengals are happy to have a coach with an NFL pedigree who has been responsible for coaching a QB in the past that many feel is the best in the game today.
Wide Receivers Coach: Bob Bicknell
Bob Bicknell is going to be the Bengals WR coach for 2018 following the departure of former WR coach James Urban. Urban had been on the Bengals staff since 2011, including winning the Cincinnati Enquirer Bengals Coach of the Year in 2016 for his work developing young wideouts Tyler Boyd, Alex Erickson, and Cody Core. As for Bicknell, despite only being 48 years old he has 27 years of coaching experience with 3 collegiate teams and 4 NFL teams. He will be working in tandem with new offensive coaches Lazor and Van Pelt to make the Bengals offense hum.
Offensive Line Coach: Frank Pollack
To put it quite plainly, the Bengals offensive line was god awful last year. They were undoubtedly one of the worst units in football. Former OL coach Paul Alexander had been with the team since 1994 in multiple capacities, but following his inability to develop multiple valuable draft picks along the offensive line it was time for a change. Enter Frank Pollack, former NFL player and OL coach most recently of the Dallas Cowboys. This may be the most dynamic philosophy shift on the Bengals offense this season. Alexander’s strategy with linemen was consistent: retreat post-snap and react to the defense. Pollack’s intense personality is mirrored by how he has his lineman play, attack the defense off the snap and initiate contact. This change could spell big things from a unit that is hoping to become more run oriented with the two headed monster of Joe Mixon and Gio Bernard.
Defensive Coordinator: Teryl Austin
This is the hire that I personally, and many Bengals fans, are most happy about. There is no mistaking that Paul Guenther wasn’t very liked among fans. His “bend but don’t break” style of defense had its moments but largely left people with a sour taste in their mouths. Austin comes in and immediately in his introductory press conference he makes it known that he wants to play a more aggressive brand of defense that emphasizes defense taking over games, being physical, and forcing turnovers. In 2017 the Bengals only forced 14 turnovers which was tied for 30th in the NFL, while Austin’s Lions defense forced 32 which was 3rd best in the NFL. Similar to the changes on the offensive line and offensive coordinator, the theme of the Bengals offseason seems to be trying to be more aggressive and be an initiator. The fanbase is hopeful that these changes will result both in more wins and more points on the scoreboard.
Cornerbacks Coach: Daronte Jones
I don’t have too much to say about this move. Our secondary has been an up and down group in recent years, and after the season the team elected to part ways with former coach Kevin Coyle. Jones was the defensive backs coach for Wisconsin in 2015 and they led the nation with only 7 passing TDs allowed while ranking 7th in overall passing defense. From 2016-2017 Jones was the assistant defensive backs coach for the Miami Dolphins. Hopefully the secondary can channel some of the success that Jones had at Wisconsin with ascending star CB William Jackson III.
Free Agency
Players Lost
Player Position New Team Contract
AJ McCarron QB Buffalo 2-year $10m
Jeremy Hill RB New England 1-year $1.5m
Russell Bodine C Buffalo 2-year $5m
Andre Smith T/G Arizona 2-year up to $10m
Chris Smith DE Cleveland 3-year $14m
Kevin Minter LB NY Jets 1-year $880k
Pat Sims DT Free Agent N/A
Cedric Peerman RB Free Agent N/A
Eric Winston OT Free Agent N/A
Adam Jones CB Free Agent N/A
AJ McCarron: This was a tough loss for the Bengals. In the NFL you can’t have enough security at the backup quarterback position. McCarron had long been thought of as a potential NFL starter by other teams. If you recall, the Bengals famously attempted to trade him at the trade deadline to the division rival Cleveland Browns. I can tell you it stings as a fan to know that we were in a position to get 2nd and 3rd round draft picks in this years draft for him, and instead we are just crossing our fingers hoping for a decent compensatory selection. Even that, though, seems unlikely.
Jeremy Hill: This departure was a foregone conclusion from the moment the Bengals selected Joe Mixon in the 2nd round of the 2017 draft. Hill burst onto the scene in 2014 running for 1,124 yards and 9 TD while averaging 5.1 YPC. Since then it has been all downhill, as from 2015-2017 Hill averaged only a measly 3.6 YPC without a single 1,000 yard season. He will forever be remembered (and not in a good way) among Cincinnatians for his costly fumble in the playoff game against Pittsburgh. Closing out the 2017 season he also opted to undergo surgery mid-season (team doctors told him it was not an urgent surgery) to be healthy for the 2018 season, and was called out by Coach Lewis for giving up on the team.
Russell Bodine: Bengals fandom, rejoice! The Bengals selected Bodine in the 4th round of the 2014 NFL draft and he was a day 1 starter at center. He started every single game in his 4 year career here, and that is about where the positive things I can say stop. Per PFF he was the 25th ranked center in the NFL for 2017 with a 46.8 grade (his 3rd season out of 4 with a grade below 53). The center position is extremely important to an offensive line and Bodine didn’t cut it. I wish him the best of luck in Buffalo but I sure am glad that I will no longer have to watch him stumble back as if he has never faced a bull rush before.
Andre Smith: Andre Smith was actually a high draft choice by the Bengals going all the way back to 2009 when the Bengals took him 6th overall. He was the starting RT for Cincinnati from 2009-2015, left to play in Minnesota in 2016 on a one year deal before returning to Cincinnati for the 2017 season. He appeared in 13 games and started 8 at several OL positions (mostly all at Tackle). Per PFF he graded out as the 62nd best tackle in the league, consistent with his deteriorating play throughout the last 3 seasons. He was always viewed as a 1-year rental behind our patchwork line.
Chris Smith: This guy hurt to lose. He was a very effective rotational piece for the Bengals defense off the edge. He recorded 3 sacks and a forced fumble, and was generally disruptive whenever he was brought into the game. His playing time was limited but I think moving forward if he gets more opportunity the guy could one day become a great player. For the duration and money that Cleveland gave him though there was no way the Bengals were going to be able to hang on to him, not with our other defensive lineman already on the roster. If you watch many Cleveland games I think this is a name you’ll be hearing a lot of.
Kevin Minter: Minter was a guy that came into the league in 2013 to Arizona as a 2nd round pick. The Cardinals had high hopes for him, as did the Bengals when they gave him a 1-year $4.2m deal in free agency. The idea was he would come in and be a faster, stronger, and younger Rey Maualuga. Instead we got what the Cardinals got, pretty unspectacular play. It never seemed like he gelled in the Cincinnati defense and was limited to just 9 games due to injury. Following a disappointing season the Bengals elected to let him walk in free agency.
Pat Sims: The Bengals took Sims in the 3rd round of the 2008 draft, and since then he has had stints with both the Bengals and Oakland Raiders. Sims was only on a 1-year deal for 2017, and throughout his career he as mostly just been a big body DT to plug in on rushing downs. Sims is now 32, it is possible the Bengals or another team could bring him in on a minimum contract if they need interior help. I would guess this is a guy that is going to get some calls following training camp injuries.
Cedric Peerman: Cedric has pretty much been a career special teams player since entering the league in 2009, but he has been spectacular in that role. In 2014 he was named the Bengals special teams captain and made the pro bowl as a special teamer in 2015. Unfortunately his past 2 seasons have been marred by injury, only playing 6 games in 2016 and missing the entire 2017 season. As of this writing it is unclear what the future holds for him.
Eric Winston: This one is short and sweet. The current NFLPA president is more than likely done as an NFL player. He sat on the couch half of last season before being an emergency signing in November following injuries along our offensive line.
Adam Jones: Love him or hate him, the guy has been a really solid player throughout his NFL career. He was a First-Team All-Pro in 2014 as a return specialist, and then he made the pro bowl the following season in 2015 as a CB. I’d be inclined to say that his time as an NFL player is over however after the Bengals declined to pick up the 2018 option for the 34 year old player. This is especially compounded by his recent airport fight. I think his age, declining skill set, and constant fear of off-field issues will keep teams away.
Players signed/traded for
Player Position Old Team Length Salary
Kevin Huber P Cincinnati 3-years $7.9m
Tyler Eifert TE Cincinnati 1-year $5.5m
Preston Brown LB Buffalo 1-year $4m
Matt Barkley QB Arizona 2-years $3.1m
Chris Baker DT Tampa Bay 1-year $3m
Cordy Glenn LT Buffalo 3-years $30m
Bobby Hart T NY Giants 1-year $1m
Kevin Huber: The Bengals re-signed our long time punter in a pretty easy to predict move. Huber was born in Cincinnati, grew up and played high school ball in Cincinnati, attended college at the University of Cincinnati, and was drafted by the Cincinnati Bengals in 2009. The former First-Team All-Pro is a quality player and a local guy, no need to make a change.
Tyler Eifert: Tyler is probably the biggest enigma in the entire Bengals organization. When he is healthy, he is one of the best in football. The problem with that is that he is absolutely never healthy. The guy has only played in 39 out of 80 career games, literally he has missed more than he has played. He has history of injury to his back, knee, shoulder, and elbow. This is basically a 1-year prove it deal, this season is going to basically determine his market value moving forward.
Preston Brown: After the Kevin Minter experiment didn’t work last season the Bengals turned to a former Buffalo Bills 3rd round pick to help shore up the LB corps. Preston had a pretty good season last year, ranking 43rd out of all linebackers per PFF. Perhaps most importantly he has played every game of his 4 year career. It was reported Brown chose the Bengals over an offer from Buffalo as he grew up in the Cincinnati area. This move confirms that LB Vontaze Burfict will primarily play WILL with Brown playing MLB.
Matt Barkley: Nothing fancy here. Barkley is a veteran QB that is going to come into camp and compete with Jeff Driskel for the backup job. I know most Bengals fans (myself included) love us some crazy legs Driskel but I think Barkley wins the job in the end due to his experience and track record. Regardless though, this is undoubtedly Andy Dalton’s team.
Chris Baker: Last offseason Baker signed a nice 3-year $15.7m contract with Tampa Bay before being cut after the season. Baker was a force for the Washington Redskins from 2014-2016, but reports out of Tampa were that his laziness and negative attitude made him an unwelcome presence with the team moving forward. I see this as a low risk high reward signing. If the coaching staff can get him into his 2014-2016 form with his current price tag, it is a huge win. If his negativity continues the team can cut him loose easily.
Cordy Glenn: This was by FAR the biggest offseason acquisition by the Bengals this season, and perhaps in decades. The trade had the Bengals send a 1st round pick (12th overall) and a 6th rounder to Buffalo in exchange for Glenn, a 1st round pick (21st overall), and a 5th rounder. This is an absolute steal for a team that didn’t have a single tackle on the roster with half of the ability of Glenn a season ago. Glenn has been a full-time starter in his NFL career, but dealt with some injuries of late. Still, he is a massive upgrade over what we had before and is one of the reasons for optimism for our offense moving forward. Note his salary in the table above is what is left on his contract that Cincinnati is on the hook for.
Bobby Hart: I’m going to make no qualms about this. I absolutely despise this signing. Yes, it is low risk money wise, but Hart brings nothing of value to the Bengals locker room. There were very few tackles in the league that were worse than what the Bengals already had, and Hart was one of them (PFF ranked him as the 74th Tackle). He is unathletic, has poor technique, and a history of locker room issues. I’m hoping he doesn’t make the roster.
Round Number Player Position School
1 21 Billy Price C Ohio State
2 54 Jessie Bates S Wake Forest
3 77 Sam Hubbard DE Ohio State
3 78 Malik Jefferson LB Texas
4 112 Mark Walton RB Miami (FL)
5 151 Devontae Harris CB Illinois State
5 158 Andrew Brown DE Virginia
5 170 Darius Phillips CB Western Michigan
7 249 Logan Woodside QB Toledo
7 252 Rod Taylor OL Mississippi
7 253 Auden Tate WR Florida State
Billy Price (6’4 312lbs):
Offensive line was by far the most important priority going into this draft, and the Bengals front office wasted absolutely no time in addressing it. Rumor was that the Bengals wanted Frank Ragnow out of Arkansas here, but he was chosen the pick prior by the Detroit Lions. The Bengals ended up with, in my opinion, the more polished player with Price. He started all 55 of OSU’s games the last 4 seasons, and with the departure of the disappointing Bodine the team needed an upgrade and some consistency in the middle. With Price I think they got both.
Grade: A
Jessie Bates (6’1 200lbs):
The Bengals secondary was solid if unspectacular last season, with one position group that needed help being safety. The Bengals brought in Kurt Coleman and Eric Reid for offseason visits, but in the end they chose to upgrade via the draft. George Iloka and Shawn Williams are both quality players but neither of them are ballhawking playmakers a la an Earl Thomas type, something that is far and away the best part of Bates’ game. I think you will see Bates over the top and Williams/Iloka dropping down into the box more due to their more physical style. Honestly I kind of wanted another OL here but for a safety I think we got a great fit.
Grade: B
Sam Hubbard (6’5 270lbs):
I don’t think the team expected Hubbard to be here with this pick, but I can tell you they were thrilled to get him. On a personal note I know that Sam was watching the draft with friends and family from a local Jeff Ruby restaurant in Cincinnati (Carlo & Johnny, if you are familiar). He is a Cincinnati kid born and raised a Bengals fan, and when he got the call he absolutely lost his mind with excitement. He may not have a JJ Watt type ceiling, but he is an extremely high motor guy that is going to become a part of our pass rush rotation day 1.
Grade: A-
Malik Jefferson (6’3 240lbs):
Jefferson was one of the most highly regarded LB prospects coming out of highschool, but was largely disappointing in college. His impressive testing at the combine probably makes him warrant this draft position, but with how weak our LB corps are overall I would have rather seen us take a safer pick. I think he is certainly a developmental guy that has a ton of upside, but the Bengals have a history of these not working out (looking at you Margus Hunt).
Grade: C+
Mark Walton (5’10 202lbs):
Walton is a very athletic and quick back that profiles as a scat back at the NFL level. He has the ability to get to the 2nd level and make defenders look silly with more than enough speed to take it to the house. However, there are some questions about his pass protection and he is firmly behind Mixon and Bernard on the depth chart. This is a depth pick that I’m not sure made sense given what we have on the roster.
Grade: C-
Davontae Harris (5’11 205lbs):
Harris is a guy blessed with great athleticism and pretty good size for a CB, and his play style is fast and aggressive. He doesn’t mind dishing out some hits, which allows him the versatility to play some safety as well. Overall as a corner his technique and hips need some work, but his fearless nature and athleticism will have him right in the conversation for a roster spot if he can contribute on special teams. It may be a few years before he sees time on defense. Overall a solid depth pick.
Grade: B
Andrew Brown (6’3 296lbs):
Brown was a DE (5 technique) in college but he profiles as a DT (3 technique) in today’s NFL. That versatility is a huge plus for him, and his size and pass rushing ability gives us another potential presence pushing the interior next to Geno Atkins. Again, if you notice the theme, he is an aggressive and attacking player, further proving how the team is committed to being more physical overall. Plus, he is known as a high character guy which is always solid for a locker room.
Grade: B+
Darius Phillips (5’10 179lbs):
Phillips is an interesting selection. Another CB selection, though Phillips profiles as more of a slot corner than a true outside guy. Also going along with another theme, Phillips is a ball hawk with 12 INTs in the past 3 seasons in college. I think he is purely a depth pick for 2018 for defense, but his ability as a returner (5 collegiate return TDs) could get him on the 53 man roster for week 1.
Grade: B-
Logan Woodside (6’2 213lbs):
Woodside was taken as just another young QB camp body in the draft. With Driskel already on the roster, the signing of Barkley, and Woodside getting a DUI in early June, I’d wager there is 0% chance he makes the team. Probably going to end up being cut or a practice squad guy.
Grade: C-
Rod Taylor (6’3 320lbs):
Taylor came out of high school as a 5 star recruit but didn’t see much playing time until his senior season. He played RT in college but projects as a G for the Bengals. This was a great selection for the 7th round, a guy with top prospect pedigree with very little draft capital is a good decision for a team that desperately needs OL help.
Grade: B+
Auden Tate (6’5 228lbs):
What does Tate bring to Cincinnati? One word. Size. He is another big bodied WR who was a quality college player, but many teams had doubts about his ability to transition his game to the NFL level with his lack of speed and explosiveness. He is a red zone target guy that will be on the fringe of the roster, with my expectation being they cut him in favor of someone with a more diverse skill set.
Grade: C
Another Year of Marvin @#$%& Lewis
I, like pretty much every single Bengals fan that I know, was absolutely certain that last season would be the final season for Lewis in Cincinnati. But then the final few weeks of the year (when it didn’t matter) all of the sudden the team that was walking out on the field looked competent. Perhaps even more than competent, maybe even a little bit dangerous. When we closed out the year shattering the hopes and dreams of the Lions and Ravens it resulted in an unexpected turn of events: the hopes and dreams of us ushering in a new coaching regime were shattered as well. Don’t get me wrong, Lewis is a good guy and has had a lot of positive moments for the franchise but what we really need is a culture shift on a wide scale. Instead, we get another season of Lewis giving out ho-hum press conferences. We’ll see a lot of mindless clapping on the sideline when our team performs poorly, and a lot of blank stares when things don’t go our way. We’ll see atrocious clock management with the worst 2 minute drill in the history of football.
The prayer for myself and all of Bengals fandom is that we will see a shift with a new offense installed by OC Bill Lazor and a new version of our 4-3 defense installed by Teryl Austin. Our greatest successes were when we had great coordinators to offset Marvin’s deficiencies (Jay Gruden, Mike Zimmer, Hue Jackson) and one can only hope that this year will see similar results. It was pretty clear from our offseason moves what the team is trying to do: establish an identity. I believe that this year we will see the offense being built a lot around Joe Mixon and the run game, though our shoring up of the OL was just as much about pass protection too. Still, I think a fast paced offense built around quick throws and the run game will be what we see. On defense they were trying to get physical and disruptive playmakers to force more turnovers. That has been the calling card of Austin’s defenses to date which gives Bengals fandom reason for optimism moving into 2018.
Projected Starting Lineup:
  • Andy Dalton. Pretty easy one here. He is a polarizing guy among fans as he is definitely no Rodgers or Brady but he is a quality starter. He can go as far as the pieces around him and as far as his coordinator can make him go. I think our skill positions are good enough to make Dalton look great, the real questions surround our offensive line. If they hold up we could see another fringe pro-bowl year from him. Projection: 4,100 yards, 26 TD, 12 INT
Running Back:
  • Joe Mixon. He will be our definite RB1 banger. He is an excellent between the tackles runner that put up some below average numbers last season mostly due to our absolutely atrocious OL play. I think he will put up a great season this year with the offense being built around what he can do. Projection: 250 carries for 1,150 yards, 9 TD, 40 receptions for 350 yards, 1 TD
  • Giovani Bernard. Gio is always underrated but the guy is a great weapon out of the backfield. He has between the tackles ability to spell Mixon but he will primarily be our 3rd down back. Projection: 120 carries for 500 yards, 3 TD, 55 receptions for 550 yards, 2 TD
  • Ryan Hewitt. We don’t use this position a ton but when we need to bring him in we do. He played around 11% of our snaps last season. He has shown the ability to also play TE in a pinch.
Tight End:
  • Tyler Eifert. He is projecting to be our starter but the real question surrounds if he will be healthy enough to contribute to the team. I have to be honest and say that I just don’t see it happening, but for the sake of the offense I hope I am wrong. Projection: 30 receptions for 350 yards and 5 TD in 10 games
  • Tyler Kroft. He really shined last year as a quality option in the passing game. A pleasant surprise to fans that were concerned following Eifert’s string of injuries. Kroft has only missed 2 games in his career, which is really what we need. Projection: 40 receptions for 380 yards and 3 TD
Wide Receiver:
  • AJ Green. No surprise here at all. The guy is an absolute monster, and coming off a down year I expect big things. Projection: 90 receptions for 1,350 yards, 8 TD
  • Brandon LaFell. This may be a surprise to some but I see LaFell opening the season as the WR opposite AJ. Marvin loves his veterans. This could very well end up being wrong if John Ross balls out in training camp LaFell could be a cut candidate. Thus is the life of a veteran. Projection: 40 receptions for 500 yards, 2 TD
  • Tyler Boyd. Boyd had a very solid rookie year but was mostly quiet last year with the exception of his game winning TD against Baltimore in week 17. I think he is a great slot guy and he takes a big step this year. Projection: 60 receptions for 650 yards, 5 TD
  • John Ross. No idea what to think about this guy. He could have 1,000 yards or 0. His pedigree and athleticism is there, and there has been nothing but praise for him from OTAs, but Marvin’s doghouse is tough to get out of. I’m mentioning him as I think he will contribute but before training camp I’m holding off on projections.
Left Tackle:
  • Cordy Glenn. We went out and got this guy and there is zero doubt that if he is healthy he will be our unquestioned starter on the left side on Sunday’s. Former LT Cedric Ogbuehi will be his primary backup and could move along the line, but I don’t see anyone challenging Glenn here.
Left Guard:
  • Clint Boling. Clint has been a mainstay for the Bengals since he was drafted in 2011. He is consistently above average, and offers a veteran presence to the position group.
  • Billy Price. The rookie was taken in the first round because he is ready to start from day 1. I think he should be a pretty safe bet to be an immediate upgrade over Bodine.
Right Guard:
  • Trey Hopkins. I think Hopkins is probably who ends up getting the starting gig here, but to be honest the right side of our line is kind of up in the air. Hopkins was our projected RG last year and I think this year is more of the same.
Right Tackle:
  • Jake Fisher. Fisher was a Bengals high draft selection that has largely struggled, and he is coming off an injury shortened season due to a heart issue. I think though that he has shown enough flashes of upside to be given one more chance to start.
Defensive Interior:
  • Geno Atkins. Zero argument here from anyone. He is without a doubt our best defensive player, and one of the best DL in the entire NFL. He will periodically come out for a breather but if he has his wind he is in there.
  • Chris Baker. I think Baker gets the majority of the PT next to Atkins but there is going to be a very heavy rotation here with Michael Johnson, Jordan Willis, Ryan Glasnow all getting a chance.
  • Carlos Dunlap. This guy is the straw that stirs the drink for the defense. He plays loose and fun. He never developed into a Strahan type sack guy but he is an above average pass rusher, run stopper, and is consistently at the top of the league in deflections by a DE. Dunlap plays the majority of snaps.
  • Carl Lawson. One of the brightest spots for our team last year was the emergence of our 2017 4th round pick. He recorded 8.5 sacks as a rookie despite only playing 41% of our defensive snaps. If he improves his run stopping he will be a pro bowl player someday. Expect Lawson to be spelled by Jordan Willis/Michael Johnson on running downs.
  • Vontaze Burfict. Yes he has done some shitty things on the field, but when he is out there he is one of the most intimidating and effective linebackers in the game. He will primarily play our WILL backer spot. Note he is suspended for 4 games, during that time you will likely see Vincent Rey and Jordan Evans playing here.
  • Preston Brown. The Bengals went out and got him in free agency to plug him in at MLB from day 1.
  • Nick Vigil. Our other outside LB spot is up for debate. It would seem that Jordan Evans, Malik Jefferson, and Vinny Rey could be in contention here. In the end they will all see playing time, I just think the coaches like Vigil the most overall.
  • William Jackson III. If you don’t know who he is you better be ready to hear his name quite a bit. I think he is legitimately going to be the next big thing at cornerback. He will be covering outside. I think he is an All-Pro in waiting
  • Dre Kirkpatrick. Dre is merely an average corner, but we are paying him like a dynamo because we couldn’t afford to lose him on our defense. I’m hoping Austin can get more out of him. Kirkpatrick will be outside opposite Jackson.
  • Darqueze Dennard. We selected Dennard in the first round of the 2014 draft and for a while it looked like he was going to be a bust. He has really blossomed though into his role as a slot corner. He is quick, physical, and a great tackler.
  • George Iloka. Neither of the Bengals starting safeties are your prototypical free safety, so the defense that we play doesn’t lend itself really to needing that. Jessie Bates will compete for playing time with both guys due to him being more of a ballhawking pure FS.
  • Shawn Williams. This guy is a hammer, goes for the big hit and is great at helping out the run defense. I expect to see him dropping down and playing some nickel LB with some cover 1 and cover 3 looks.
  • Randy Bullock. I don’t like him and he is garbage but we don’t have anyone that can really compete.
  • Kevin Huber. Consistent, quality punter. Nothing fancy, I wrote about how he is a solid Cincy guy earlier.
Kick Returns/Punt Returns:
  • Alex Erickson. He has done well enough with the job, and has proven he can be a pretty reliable slot WR when called upon, too. I’d wager he keeps the job for one more year.
Position Group Strengths and Weaknesses:
Overall grade: B
We don’t have one of the premier guys in the league, but we have a consistent starter and a backup in Barkley that has won football games in the NFL. I think that puts us in a better than average position in regard to the rest of the league.
Overall grade: B+
I think the 1-2 punch of Mixon/Gio could wind up being considered one of the best in the entire NFL, but they haven’t shown it yet. Homerism aside I still think they are an above average group, especially when you factor in the depth that Walton provides.
Overall Grade: C-
The addition of Price and Glenn were absolutely huge for us, but we still have questions on the entire right side of the line. Not to mention that Price is still a rookie and Glenn has had injury concerns. Still, a grade of C- is much better than the grade of F that we had at this time last year.
Pass catchers
Overall Grade: A-
This is pretty easy when you have AJ Green and Eifert being the stars of your group with solid depth guys like Kroft and LaFell and Boyd, and huge upside with Ross. If Eifert goes down I’d drop the grade a bit, but still I think this is a very interesting group for us.
Overall Grade: A
This is by far our best position group. Atkins and Dunlap are 2 of the best at their respective positions, and rookies Carl Lawson and Jordan Willis showed a ton of promise. Couple that with the addition of Sam Hubbard and I think that our DL will be the highlight of our team.
Overall Grade: C-
Outside of Vontaze we don’t have any guys on the roster that have played really well in a Bengals uniform. The addition of Brown helps, but we have questions with our SAM backer and very little depth. I’m disappointed that the organization didn’t do more to shore them up.
Overall Grade: B
WJIII and Dennard are both very good players, but Kirkpatrick is prone to penalties and giving up big plays. The addition of Bates and Teryl Austin’s tutelage may help bring this unit up above their projections but overall I think they are just pretty average.
Special Teams
Overall Grade: C-
Bullock is an F. I think that our return group is pretty good and our punt team is above average as well. I’m nervous how our ST will look now that the leader of that group Cedric Peerman is no longer in Cincy.
Schedule Predictions
Week 1 – AT Indianapolis Colts
Prediction: Bengals 24 Colts 17 (1-0)
Summary: I think with it being Luck’s first taste of real game action in a while that the Bengals will be able to hit them in the mouth and rack up a bunch of sacks and come away from this week with a W.
Week 2 – VS Baltimore Ravens
Prediction: Ravens 27 Bengals 17 (1-1)
Summary: Our games against the Ravens are always hard fought games. I think that they have really improved their team this offseason and they get the better of us in this early season matchup with Alex Collins having a big day.
Week 3 – AT Carolina Panthers
Prediction: Panthers 21 Bengals 20 (1-2)
Summary: Carolina is a tough place to go and win games, and the Bengals have struggled to contain Cam in the past. I think it is more of the same and the Bengals come out losing.
Week 4 – AT Atlanta Falcons
Prediction: Falcons 31 Bengals 17 (1-3)
Summary: The Bengals are kind of reeling at this point following two really tough games on the road. The Falcons DL eats our OL alive and it is a blowout.
Week 5 – VS Miami Dolphins
Prediction: Bengals 27 Dolphins 7 (2-3)
Summary: AJ Green torches the Dolphins secondary and Tannehill struggles in what is a sorely needed get right game for Cincinnati.
Week 6 – VS Pittsburgh Steelers
Prediction: Bengals 17 Steelers 14 (3-3)
Summary: I think that this game at home is going to be a hard nosed kind of football game. Vontaze is back in the swing of things off the suspension, WJIII battling with Antonio Brown. I think that Ben throws a costly late pick that leads to a game winning field goal.
Week 7 – AT Kansas City Chiefs
Prediction: Bengals 24 Chiefs 14 (4-3)
Summary: I am really high on Mahomes as a starter but I think he is going to have his ebbs and flows this year. I think our DL is going to get to him early and get him rattled, and the KC defense isn’t quite what it once was.
Week 8 – VS Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Prediction: Bengals 27 Buccaneers 20 (5-3)
Summary: Unfortunately for Bucs fans, I think they may be in some trouble this year. I think this ends up being a game where the final score is close but it never looked that way.
Week 9 – BYE
Week 10 – VS New Orleans Saints
Prediction: Saints 24 Bengals 10 (5-4)
Summary: I think the Saints come into Cincy and control the game from start to finish with an effective running game and a sneaky good defensive effort.
Week 11 – AT Baltimore Ravens
Prediction: Bengals 31 Ravens 28 (6-4)
Summary: What goes together better than crazy games by AJ Green against Baltimore? AJ explodes for 170 and 2 TDs and the Bengals hold off a late onslaught by Joe Cool to get the W.
Week 12 – VS Cleveland Browns
Prediction: Bengals 21 Browns 10 (7-4)
Summary: The Browns are making waves in the league and playing really well, but for this game our DL wreaks havoc and we hold them to their lowest yardage output all season.
Week 13 – VS Denver Broncos
Prediction: Broncos 21 Bengals 17 (7-5)
Summary: I think the Broncos defense channels their Super Bowl run and Case Keenum throws it just well enough for the Broncos to squeak out a win in Cincy.
Week 14 – AT Los Angeles Chargers
Prediction: Chargers 28 Bengals 7 (7-6)
Summary: Our OL just flat out cant handle the pass rush of the Chargers, Melvin Gordon has a great game and the Bengals look like they are flat.
Week 15 – VS Las Vegas Raiders
Prediction: Bengals 31 Raiders 14 (8-6)
Summary: I think the Bengals come out angry about their sorry performance against the Chargers and blow the Raiders off the field. Mixon runs roughshod over them. The playoff hope is alive
Week 16 – AT Cleveland Browns
Prediction: Browns 24 Bengals 21 (8-7)
Summary: The Browns get us in Cleveland behind a great performance by Baker Mayfield, who had recently taken over for Tyrod Taylor.
Week 17 – AT Pittsburgh Steelers
Prediction: Steelers 31 Bengals 7 (8-8)
Summary: The Bengals go to Pittsburgh needing a win and some help to win the wild card but it is clear from the jump that the pressure is too much for them and they completely flop. They finish the season .500 and out of the playoffs.
2018 Projection Summary
The Bengals are an improved team from the team that went 7-9 in 2017. We didn’t lose any key contributors save Andre Smith and Russell Bodine along the line (both were bad and needed to go) and we made some upgrades at our weaker positions. Still, our head coach doesn’t have the ability to maximize what he has in front of him and remains overall a career underachiever. We play better than we did last year but our deficiencies along the offensive line and in our linebacking corps prove too much to overcome to be a playoff team. We are yet again thrust into mediocrity but with just enough solid play and hope to keep the fans and the organization wondering if the current regime has what it takes to put us in the Super Bowl before our current roster window closes.
Note From The Writer
I want to thank everyone that took the time to read this. If anyone has any questions/comments/concerns please ask in the comments and I will try to shed more light if possible. Go Bengals!
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Week 9 SEC vs SEC Matchup Previews

Hello all! Welcome to the second of the new weekly SEC vs SEC matchup previews as written by fans of (almost) every team. Like every week, I am still looking for writers so if you have interest please let me know.

Vanderbilt @ Arkansas 12:00 SEC Network

Vanderbilt perspective by u/trailbait of
Say hello to your SEC football fútbol CHAMPS! Vandy’s women’s soccer team clinched the regular season SEC championship this week for the first time since 1994. So, we’ve got that going for us. In other Vandy sports news, this week it was reported that Chancellor Zeppos is considering selling football stadium naming rights to raise money for desperately needed upgrades to athletic facilities. So, all you fans of other schools can look forward to watching your team compete on Shoney’s “Big Boy” Field at Cracker Barrel Old Country Store Stadium
Arkansas. I’ll start by noting that Fayetteville is cool college town nestled near the Ozark Mountains. If you’re an Arkansas fan, that’s a feather in your cap plastic hog-head hat. Football? Not so much, at least not this season. The Razorbacks are 2-6, 0-4 in the SEC, with their only victories coming against Eastern Illinois and Tulsa. After this week there are no other possible wins left on the Arkansas schedule. The Hogs are as desperate as Vanderbilt for a win. Arkansas relies heavily on the running game. Their main offensive threat is Rakeen Boyd, who is averaging 6.7 yards per carry the season. They have the ground game that can wear Vandy out by the fourth quarter.
The starting quarterback is Ty Storey. He is completing less than 60% of his attempts and averages just over six yards per attempt. He has seven touchdowns and five interceptions this year, which may explain why he also has 45 carries for 177 yards.
Vanderbilt. While Vandy is now 3-5, four losses have come against the AP ranked 3rd, 7th, 9th and 12th-ranked teams in the country. Vanderbilt ended a three-week stretch against three “Top Twelve” opponents in a row with a narrow, disappointing loss at Kentucky. What’s most frustrating is that Vandy easily could’ve won two of those games.
Vanderbilt is talented enough to push ranked teams to the limit so we should be able to win games against 2-6 teams. The coaching staff must feel a lot of pressure to get that elusive first SEC win.
Vanderbilt’s defense turned in a solid performance last week, limiting Kentucky to 14 points. The offense continues to waste opportunities in the red zone. Vandy needs to put points up early to take the Hogs out of the game. Will the urgency of a much-needed win force Vanderbilt to open up the offense this week?
Prediction. Arkansas opened as a 2.5-point favorite, but the line quickly flipped to Vanderbilt as a 2-point favorite. Stick with the smart money.
Vanderbilt 21 - Arkansas 17
I am again without an Arkansas writer. If interested, please shoot me a pm.

Florida vs Georgia 3:30 CBS

Florida perspective by u/iFloridaGator of
9 Florida, 6-1 (4-1 SEC), has won many games that the experts predicted them to lose. Their mantra of “fast, physical, and aggressive” has quickly reflected onto the game field. Mullen transformed the offense from a slow-paced pro-style scheme to a spread option. Second year QB Feleipe Franks looks like a different player as his reading ability and decision making has dramatically improved. He is making decisive reads, making the right decisions when they count, and is even running the ball enough to keep the opposing defense guessing. With the addition of graduate transfers Trevon Grimes and Van Jefferson, Florida has arguably one of the most talented receiving corps in the SEC. Florida’s running game is healthy, with the top 3 backs each averaging over 5 yards per carry. Scarlett, Perine, and Pierce are constantly rotating throughout each game, allowing each to rest and remain fresh for all 60 minutes of game-time.
DC Todd Grantham’s multiple 3-4 defense is flying around the field, applying pressure, and creating turnovers. The multiple scheme combines many different coverages with many different pressure packages to allow Grantham to hide his true intentions until after the ball is snapped. Defensive linemen Zuniga, Polite, and Jefferson have been wreaking havoc on the opposing quarterbacks on a weekly basis, causing 21 sacks on the year and a total loss of 149 yards. Even while losing star corner Marco Wilson to a season-ending ACL injury, Florida’s DBU claim has held up so far this year having allowed only 5 touchdowns through the air leading up to week 9. This week’s matchup between #9 Florida and #7 Georgia will be determined by the battle between the trenches, field position, and the Gator defense’s ability to force three-and-outs. Georgia’s rushing attack will be one of the most dangerous that the Gators have seen this year.
Before week 1, if one had said that this year’s World’s Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party would be a top-10 matchup that would largely determine the SEC East and ultimately each team’s shot at the college football playoffs, they would have been downvoted into karma oblivion for eternity. Hell, Florida fans were happy enough leading the blue alliance to a dominant victory in CFBRisk; they weren’t expecting too much from 1st year head coach and former Florida offensive coordinator Dan Mullen’s first year. After a disastrous 4-7 season, just going .500 through the season meant progress.
Now we are less than a week away from #9 Florida and #7 Georgia facing off in arguably the biggest WLOCP in a decade.
31-28 Florida
Georgia perspective by u/DuragofJupiter of
After getting pummeled 36-16 by LSU in their first real test of the season, the seventh ranked Georgia Bulldogs will need to grow up quickly if they wish to prevail in Jacksonville this week against the surprisingly resurgent ninth ranked Florida Gators. In particular, the offense must be far more effective against the Gators for the Dawgs to emerge from this weekend with a win and their goals of both an SEC East title and a berth in the CFP intact.
Offensively, UGA’s poor performance against LSU casts a pall on what had previously been an extremely effective unit, even when accounting for competition. Despite the LSU debacle, Georgia’s offense is still ranked sixth in the nation, according to Bill Connelly's S&P+ rankings. Nonetheless, the Dawg’s offense has more than a few questions to answer. The most important question is simple: Which QB should they play? Jake Fromm has struggled far more than expected for a second year starter with CFP experience, especially since he appeared more in command as a signal caller last year as a true freshman starter. Fromm’s numbers this year have been ostensibly impressive, as he has the eighth best Adjusted Net Yards/Attempt in the nation, averaging 10.1 ANY/A, as well as the fifth best Passer Efficiency Rating in the nation.
However, Fromm has not consistently passed the eye test and his performance against LSU sunk the Dawgs’ chances at a win. Fromm missed wide-open receivers, held the ball too long, and just looked overwhelmed, intensifying calls among the Georgia faithful for Justin Fields to replace him. Of course, throwing a true freshman into the raucous environment of the World’s Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party is a risky move that could break Fields’ and Fromm’s confidence irreparably, and due caution must be taken. While QB changes have (infamously) worked out for Alabama and Clemson, they are never a guarantee. Furthermore, some blame should be laid at the feet of the UGA offensive staff, as they went away from the run far too early against LSU given the success the run game against the Bayou Bengals, particularly considering the game was a two-possession game until the fourth quarter. Against Florida, sticking to the run and maintaining a balanced run-pass ratio consistently would likely be a wise decision, as the Gators’ defense is ranked 21st against the pass while their rushing defense is ranked a pedestrian 56th against the run, according to S&P+. Therefore, I’d expect Elijah Holyfield, Deandre Swift, and the rest of the UGA running backs to be far more involved against Florida than they were in Death Valley. Regardless, UGA’s offense will need to be more consistent and must avoid turnovers against a havoc-wreaking Gator defense in order to prevail against their hated foes.
On the other side of the ball, UGA’s defense will have both some clear advantages and some possibly ruinous disadvantages against Florida’s offense. The Junkyard Dawgs are ranked 24th in overall Defensive S&P+, but they are far, far better defending the pass than the run, as they are ranked 84th in Rushing S&P+, and ninth in Passing S&P+. Conversely, the Gators are a rather balanced unit, as they are ranked 25th in Rushing S&P+ and 24th in Passing S&P+, which combines to produce a 32nd ranking in Offensive S&P+. Florida’s offensive competence this season is surprising, as they were ranked 108th in Offensive S&P+ last season, but, they have clearly found a solution to their offensive woes in Dan Mullen’s return to Gainesville. Mullen’s tutelage has clearly helped Feleipe Franks to make the best of his talents, as Franks has already thrown for nearly twice as many touchdowns this season as he did last season. Franks has also increased his ANY/A from 5.5 to 8.1 and his Passing Efficiency Rating to 143.2. While Franks is not a huge threat on the ground, he has rushed for a touchdown this year, so he cannot be ignored.
Mullen has also done an excellent job of integrating the rest of UF’s offensive talent, as Florida currently has 5 players with over 100 rushing yards, including lead running backs Jordan Scarlett and Lamical Perine. Similarly, 12 different players have scored at least one touchdown this season. Georgia will have to tackle much better than they did against LSU, as much like the Bayou Bengals, Florida’s skill players can eviscerate a team when given space. However, if the Junkyard Dawgs can leverage Florida into passing downs, they should be able to restrict the Gator offense, as the Dawgs have been a top-ten unit on passing downs according to S&P+, despite a relatively middling pass rush. While Florida has avoided turnovers well this season, forcing passing downs and preventing big plays will only put more pressure on Franks, who was largely ineffective against the best three defenses he has faced so far, Kentucky, Mississippi State, and LSU.
While Jacksonville has been a house of horrors for the Classic City Canines during the 21st century, as UGA has lost to teams it should have easily handled and been blown out by similarly talented Florida squads, last year seems like a rivalry-altering blowout in favor of the Dawgs. Florida will certainly come out strong and ready to avenge last year’s embarrassment, but, following the whipping against LSU, Coach Smart will almost certainly have his charges gnashing their teeth and foaming at the mouth to reestablish their position as SEC East overlords. With that in mind, I’m predicting a tight and physical game in the first half, but eventually UGA’s talent and a rejuvenated Jake Fromm will lead UGA to a victory.
Georgia 31 – Flordia 20

Kentucky @ Missouri 4:00 SEC Network

Due to circumstances that are beyond the writers control, there is no Kentucky preview for this week. My apologies.
Missouri perspective by u/marc1221 of
Somewhat surprising that Mizzou is favored by 7 in this game…clearly because the Mizzou offense is capable of dropping half a hundred on you, but generally doesn’t against better teams. And if you are ranked 12th in the country, I would say you are one of the better teams in the country and should be able to take care of business. Not to mention that the Kentucky defense is ranked 13th in the country. But this could be a “trap game” (I hate that expression) for Kentucky with Georgia next week and Mizzou can ill afford many more losses if it wants to go bowling somewhere besides the Texas Bowl or Independence Bowl. A win over Kentucky would give them that signature win. However, Mizzou has not beaten Kentucky since 2014.
Mizzou must protect Drew Lock. In previous losses, once Lock got hit or sacked a few times, his passing game completely fell apart. Once he is confident that his line can protect him, he should be good. Still a concern to the Tigers is the absence of wideouts Emanuel Hall and Nate Brown, but the Tigers running game is strong as well. Mizzou must contain Benny Snell. Snell is 4th in the nation in rushing, but Mizzou has a pretty significant D line. If Kentucky doesn’t get the running game going, they will be done since they have no passing game. Kentucky QB Terry Wilson is 13th in the SEC in passing efficiency and has more INTs than TDs while throwing for 721 total yards. Drew Lock has close to 2,000. Limit Kentucky to FGs. Kentucky is not an offensive juggernaut. They have scored just 21 offensive points in its last 10 quarters of football. Mizzou hung 48 on Memphis last week in the first half alone. If Kentucky is forced to play catch up, even Mizzou’s maligned defensive backfield should be able to hold a lead.
Over all, I think Kentucky is deserving of their ranking based on their record. In common opponents, Kentucky beat SC, while Mizzou lost in a game they “should have won”, “had won”, or “lost because Barry Odom is a dolt,” yet Mizzou is averaging 45+ points per game at home this year. If they even get half of that, I think Mizzou wins. And I think they will get more than that.

Mizzou 27 - Kentucky 17

Texas A&M @ Mississippi State 7:00 ESPN

Texas A&M perspective by u/TryhardTim of


Well, now that we’ve had our bye week, it’s time to get back to playing some football. This week, the Aggies will be traveling to Strakville to face Mississippi State.
  • Which top notch defense will win out?
Both of these teams have been impressive on defense so far this year, and with both offenses having flaws (more on that next), the defense that can expose the other team's weaknesses while keeping the other team’s rushing attack under control will win on Saturday in Starkville. Look out for defensive stars like Montez Sweat for MSU and Kingsley Keke for A&M to shine.
  • Which will do better: Texas A&M's offensive line, or Mississippi State's passing attack?
This may very well hold the key to Saturday's game. If Nick Fitzgerald can take better care of the football, their three- pronged rushing attack with Fitzgerald, Kylin Hill, and Aeris Williams will have the chance to take over the game. If A&M's offensive line can play well, they will create running lanes for the #4 RB in the country, Trayveon Williams, and it will give Kellen Mond plenty of time to find talented wide receivers like Camron Buckley, Quartney Davis, Jhamon Ausbon and TE Jace Sternberger
  • Field Position
This game looks like it will be a physical affair, which means we better buckle in for 3 hours of the announcers droning on about the importance of field position. However, as annoying as that might get, the field position battle will likely play a role, and this is where A&M has an advantage with our punter, Braden Mann. He’s averaging 54.5 yards per punt this year (If you were wondering, the FBS record for punting average in a season is 50.3 yards), and his punting has helped us a few times already this season
  • Video game rushing stats
This feels like the kind of game where, if the defenses don’t play at the top of their game, we could end up with 3-4 players rushing for over 100 yards (maybe even 5 players if the A&M defense really shits the bed), which just sounds insane. But, between Nick Fitzgerald, Kellen Mond, Trayveon Williams, Kylin Hill, and Aeris Williams, it’s almost guaranteed that this game will be decided on the ground.
FINAL WORDS before I get ejected for targeting
The Aggies opened as 3-point underdogs for this road test, which actually seems fair to me. Mississippi State always seems to be a tough game in the last few years, and they kicked our ass in Kyle Field last year (Where I remember the loudest my section got in the second half was when they showed George Springer breaking up Alex Wood’s no hitter with a home run in game 4 of the World Series). This year, expect the Aggies to get revenge and steal a game from the Bulldogs in Starkville by being able to match Mississippi State in rushing by forcing Fitzgerald to beat us with his arm and gaining an advantage with our passing game and special teams.

#BTHOmississippi state #HeisMANN #MaroonAndWhiteIsOurThing

Texas A&M 24, Mississippi State 17
Mississippi State perspective by u/a_cobb of
It is easy to understand why most Mississippi State fans are not happy at this point in the season. Despite boasting one of the best defensive units in football, and some serious weapons on offense, Mississippi State has fallen to almost every SEC opponent they have faced thus far. As far as inheritances go, Moorhead received the entire estate. He inherited a scary defense, and an offense that should have been able to succeed at a high level with some minor tweaks. While many fans are polarized on the topic of whether or not Moorhead is a bust or not, I say: It’s too soon to tell. He came in here with a winning attitude and gave all of us fans some sky-high expectations. Let’s be real though, how could we expect this much from a first time SEC-West head coach? Like all things, this will take time too. He’s implementing an entirely new offense based around players recruited for a different system. Once he gets the guys he has been recruiting (and believe me, he’s been recruiting phenomenally) on the field, things might be different. Let’s all take a deep breath, and let things play out before we grab the pitchforks. End rant.
This week brings about another challenge for Joe Moorhead and his beleaguered offense. Coming to town is Texas A&M, and with them comes a three-game win streak (all SEC opponents). Their only losses this season have come from top ranked opponents such as Clemson and Alabama. Accounting for how both teams have played in recent weeks, it looks as if A&M should be able to escape Davis Wade with a close, but other-wise convincing win. Maybe they will even get to leave with a few posters of Fitzgerald on the ground, who knows. If Mississippi State wants to win, things must change.
Running backs Kylin Hill, and Aeris Williams need to have a balanced amount of carries in tandem with Nick Fitzgerald’s ungodly amount of carries he’s bound to have. Against LSU’s stellar secondary, Nick did not find success in the air. Getting only 59 yards to match his 4 interceptions, Nick needs to improve. Texas A&M does not have the same secondary as LSU, so this should, in theory, be a confidence building game for Nick. If not, I hope Moorhead can find it in his heart to effectively end the senior’s season and let Keytaon Thompson play. I understand the detriment a QB controversy can have on a locker room, but one needs only to look at the reaction of the defense on the sideline when Nick threw his third interception against LSU (seriously, look it up) to know that this won’t be a problem with the team, and to be frank: Moorhead is getting paid to win. He is getting paid to be an “offensive guru,” and so-called geniuses take risks. See Nick Saban’s success against Georgia last year. It has to happen at some point. Why not this weekend?
Prediction 17-14 Texas A&M

Tennessee @ South Carolina 7:00 SEC Network

Tennessee perspective by u/BuckRowdy of
When it comes to yard stick games, last week’s Alabama game wasn’t it. There’s maybe 3-4 teams in the entire country that could even approach matching up with Alabama and Tennessee is not yet one of them. All I wanted to take away from the Alabama game was would Tennessee continue on the same trajectory since the Georgia game?
Alabama is just too good to really get a read on Tennessee’s improvement. This week will provide a much better litmus test for the Vols status under Coach Jeremy Pruitt.
Tennessee is 0-6 against Will Muschamp. While that's an embarrassing stat, the last five years under Butch Jones was full of those kind of embarrassing stats. It’s precisely why Tennessee wiped the slate clean and started over with Coach Pruitt. The Vols travel to Columbia with a 3-4 record to face a 3-3 Gamecock team that could easily be 2-4 had it not been for a monsoon when they played Missouri.
This is a critical game for Tennessee. They’ve gotten through the worst part of the season with one great upset win and only need 3 more wins to become bowl eligible, something many fans thought impossible before the season. Tennessee now has a chance to show that the progress made under Pruitt, as shown in the Georgia and Auburn games, is just the beginning of the new Tennessee football.
South Carolina presents one of the biggest remaining challenges on the schedule. Muschamp is famous for his defenses, but South Carolina has shown they can also play a shootout style and win if needed. To win this game Tennessee will need to show they can play the same way when required.
South Carolina starts slow which gives the Vols an opportunity. The Gamecocks average only 9.4 points in the first half. Tennessee must get off to a fast start, dictate the game, force South Carolina to play catch up, and maybe even get out of their game plan. This is a winnable game for Tennessee. Win this week and then next week against Charlotte and they’ll be carrying a 5-4 record into the final leg of the season versus two teams with zero conference wins among them and Kentucky.
The Vols are an 8 pt underdog in Columbia but they were an even bigger underdog against Auburn and they shocked the conference with that win.
If Tennessee finds a way to beat South Carolina on the road, they’ll not only get UT’s first win vs. Muschamp but they’ll have notched two road upsets in a month. If that happens, you won’t need a yard stick to figure out how Tennessee and Coach Pruitt measure up; You’ll know that Tennessee is finally on the right path and that’ll be something that will carry Vols fans a long way.
Tennessee 24 – 21 South Carolina
South Carolina perspective by u/joblanco40 of
In the PooPoo Bowl of the sWeek for the Southeastern Conference, Jeremy Pruitt and company will make a visit to Williams-Brice Stadium to take on Will Muschamp and the South Carolina Gamecocks. While Tennessee will look to build off their moral victory/blow out loss to Alabama (“it wasn’t that bad!!”), South Carolina will be looking to salvage what’s left of an underwhelming season so far. Will Muschamp has watched his team go from potential contender in the east, to battling it out for the 4th best team in the SEC East. Disappointment is a term I use lightly as a South Carolina alumnus and fan, as it’s all I’ve ever known. To quote Bane from the Dark Knight Rises, “I was born in it, molded by it”. But this season has been fucking disappointing. Most sensible fans will say that they didn’t expect much from the team (the media always hypes us up!!), as Muschamp is rebuilding a roster that was sooooooooo bad when Spurrier left; but even they will agree that this discrepancy between expectations and reality is pretty wide.
A lot of the blame has been directed to Jake Bentley. He was recently booed to the seventh level of hell by Gamecocks fans after his dismal performance in the first half of the Texas A&M game. And for good reason. Throwing probably one of the worst redzone interceptions I have scene as a Gamecock fan (and I’ve seen some shit), and being held scoreless in the first half will normally lead to people not liking you very much. HOWEVAAA! It is definitely not all Bentley’s fault. Offensive play calling has been random af, and there isn’t a clear identity of the offense. Running backs have had an innate ability of fumbling the football at the most inopportune time of the game. Wide receivers, who were supposed to be the best position of our team, CAN’T CATCH THE BALL, also at the most inopportune time of the game. It’s just been a huge clusterfuck. The silver lining is our defense is actually pretty talented, but they’re young and can’t really be counted on to carry our team right now.
From a gambling perspective, this game is just awful to bet on. 7.5 spread might be the worst spread that could’ve been used on this game. Tennessee isn’t very good, but our games against them are always extremely tight. Their offense is pretty average, and has a special combination of a bad run game and a slightly average passing game. Jarrett Guarantano is actually not that bad, and he has some weapons to hurt the Gamecocks. I don’t think I’m stretching here in saying that Tennessee reminds me of the South Carolina team a couple of years ago when Bentley first started. That said, my gut feeling is thinking that Tennessee will cover the spread. Expect Pruitt to have his defense ready to go, to continue being super aggressive on special teams, and Guarantano will make enough chunk plays down the field to make it competitive for 4 quarters.
South Carolina 27 – Tennessee 21
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[35 Bowls in 17 Days] The Cotton Bowl: (13) Oklahoma State vs. (8) Missouri

The Cotton Bowl

13 Oklahoma State vs. #8 Missouri

Bowl Information:
Date: January 3rd, 2014
Time: 7:30 PM EST / 6:30 PM CST
Betting Odds:
Oklahoma State Missouri
Game Line +1.5 -1.5
Money Line -110 -110
  • OveUnder: 61
Cotton Bowl History: (by bufflo1993)
Since 1937, the Cotton Bowl has been the premier Bowl Game in Texas. Having hosted the Southwest Conference champion every year between 1937-1995, the game has been strongly associated with Texas and has only hosted a team outside of Texas or its neighboring states four times (1996, 1997, 2001, 2007). The most prestigious bowl in the nation in the 1960s and 1970s, the Cotton Bowl fell on hard times when the most of SWC was in trouble for alleged improper recruiting actions in the 1970s - 1990s. The downfall of the SWC has relegated the Cotton Bowl to second tier status behind the BCS Bowls (Sugar, Rose, Orange, Fiesta). However, due to convoluted BCS rules about bowl selections (See Northern Ilinios in 2012), the Cotton Bowl has been able to select match-ups that are often better and sexier than the BCS matchups. This, along with moving indoors to Jerry’s Palatial Accommodations, has allowed it to move up into the Champions series next year.
Year Founded: 1937
  • Dallas, TX (1937-2009)
  • Arlington, TX (2010-Pres)
Conference Tie-ins: Big 12 #2 vs SEC #3
2012-13 Season Result: (9) Texas A&M 41 vs (11) Oklahoma 13
Notabowl Historic Games:
  • 1970 Cotton Bowl (1) Texas 21 v. (9) Notre Dame 17: For the 1970 Cotton Bowl, Notre Dame lifted its 40-year old bowl ban to face the #1 Texas Longhorns. The Longhorns, having just completed their greatest season in program history, where they defeated the #2 Arkansas Razorbacks 15-14 in the 1969 Game of Century and had lost only one game in the last two seasons, were the undisputed kings of the College Football World (and already National Champions according to President Richard Nixon, who flew in to watch the Game of the Century). In an impossibly hyped game that was attended by the football legends the Four Horseman, and by Texas’s own Lyndon B. Johnson, these Longhorns were able to mount a great comeback against the Joe Theisman-led Irish, and pull out a 21-17 win.
  • 1971 Cotton Bowl (1) Texas 11 v. (5) Notre Dame 24: In a rematch of the previous year’s classic, the Irish took on a Texas team- that however impossible it may have seemed- looked better than the previous year. Again led by the unstoppable Wishbone offense, Texas had coasted through their tough schedule destroying #4 Arkansas 42-7 and only failing to win by double digits twice. They took on a #5 Notre Dame who had just been upset by an unranked USC, but was led by Joe Theismann. Texas, with it’s SWC record 30 game win streak, was stifled by Notre Dames innovative defense that spelled an end to the Wishbone driven Texas dynasty. This was probably the most historically important Cotton Bowl, as it signaled the passing of the torch from Texas to Notre Dame, who continued into their most dominate decade of program history.
  • 1979 Cotton Bowl (9) Houston 34 v. (6) Notre Dame 35: Known simply as the Chicken Soup Game, Notre Dame, led by a sick Joe Montana, who ate Chicken Soup between quarters, rallied from a 34-12 deficit with 3:00 left in the 3rd Quarter to win the game in a blustery and cold Cotton Bowl. After a questionable call by Cougars coach Bill Yeoman, the Irish took over the ball with 35 seconds left on the Houston 29 ( and marched down the field capping the drive with a 6 yard touchdown while time expired ( After a penalty on their first extra point attempt, Notre Dame barely made their second extra point try to win the game.
#13 Oklahoma State Cowboys: 132+ Teams in 132+ Days: Oklahoma State University (by Wubwubmiller)
Bowl Record: 15-8, 1-2 Cotton Bowl
Historic Bowl Games: [List 1-2 great bowl games your team has played in the past]
2013 Season Record: 10-2
Key Players this Season: Justin Gilbert-CB: 6 INT, 2 defensive touchdowns Clint Chelf-QB: 1792 Passing Yards for 15 TDs
Biggest Plays this Season:
Season Summary: This has been a great season for the Cowboys overall, with a rocky start and end. Returning from an 8-5 season in 2012, the Cowboys trucked through their non-conference games before a humbling loss to West Virginia. Following this wake-up call, and a narrow victory over Kansas State, the Cowboys went on to soundly win their next six games, culminating in ending Baylor’s winning streak. The Cowboy’s own winning streak would end two weeks later at Bedlam, when the Oklahoma Sooners fought back from an early deficit and took the lead with a late game touchdown, returning a fumble for good measure in the final play of the game. While losing Bedlam is always disappointing, we still had a very good season.
Why we are going to win: Our defense is going to be the game winner in the Cotton Bowl. Both teams are terrific, high scoring squads, so it’s just going to be a matter of keeping pressure on and forcing turnovers. Missouri has a great defense too, so our offense is going to try to really keep up the pace in order to wear them down.
#8 Missouri Tigers: 132+ Teams in 132+ Days: The Missouri Tigers (by TheTurner and groggydog)
Bowl Record: 13-16
Historic Bowl Games:
  • 1961 Orange Bowl - Missouri 21 - Navy 14
After losing their first seven bowl games, Mizzou came into the 1961 Orange Bowl desperate for their first bowl win. The Tigers finished 9-1 in 1961, good for their second straight berth in the Orange Bowl. Across the field was the Midshipmen of Navy, led by Heisman Trophy winner, Joe Bellino. Navy got on the board first, but the Tigers would score three times unanswered to secure their first bowl win in school history over the Naval Academy, 21-14.
  • 1966 Sugar Bowl - Missouri 20 - Florida 18
Mizzou would look to make it three bowl wins in a row over the Florida Gators in the 1966 Sugar Bowl, where the sixth ranked Tigers looked to shut down Steve Spurrier and the Florida offense. After a scoreless first quarter, Mizzou stormed out to a 17-0 lead in the second quarter, and went into the final quarter with a 20-0 lead. Spurrier and the Gators refused to give up though, storming back to score three touchdowns in the fourth quarter alone. However, Florida failed on all three straight 2-point conversions, to keep the Tigers lead and victory, 20-18. Despite being on the losing team, the OBC was named the games' MVP.
  • 1968 Gator Bowl - Missouri 35 - Alabama 10
2013 Season Record: 11-2, 7-2 SEC
Key Players this Season: Having recovered from his previous injuries, James Franklin has had a monumental final season with over 3,700 total yards. Henry Josey (RB, 1074 yards), L'Damian Washington (WR, 853 yards) and Dorial Green-Beckham (WR, 830 yards) round out the offense while Michael Sam rounds out the defense.
Biggest Plays this Season:
Season Summary: A lot of people thought we wouldn't even get to a bowl, so while not making the BCS is unfortunate, this is still pretty great. Our two losses came in 2OT to SCAR and in the SEC Championship game, but don't think they players will be bummed out being here. It's a chance for Mizzou to make a serious statement to its former conference foes.
Why we are going to win: Mizzou has gone through a tough schedule, a large part of which was without their starting quarterback. While the defense didn't play up to par in the SEC Championship game, they have been an incredible unit for most of the season and, as long as they can get a few stops, will be backed up plenty by one of the best offenses Missouri has ever had.
Many thanks to Bufflo1993, Wubwubmiller, and TheTurner for contributing the information to this post!
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[Rookie] sg3751's Laquon Treadwell Profile

Team: Ole Miss
Position: Receiver
Height: 6’2”
Weight: 229
Games reviewed: 8
A month or two ago, Laquon Treadwell appeared to be the consensus #1 rookie for Dynasty fantasy football players. Ezekiel Elliott was primarily thought of as the #2 guy to go off the board, with a steep drop-off in talent coming after him. In the present day, a lot has changed. Some still argue he’s their #1, and the majority still probably have him as their first receiver, but the field has certainly caught up to him. Zeke has become Dynasty’s 1.01, and Treadwell is rarely considered a tier above all receivers. I, personally, have Treadwell as my #4 (yes, 4) receiver, and I’d like to explain why.
To provide a little background in stuff people should know, something I’ve neglected to detail in the past, there’s a few things to cover. First off, Treadwell was the top receiver of this class all year, especially after the injury of Mike Williams. He was at #1 before this college football season started. In his last game of the previous season, however (the last time he’d been on the field), he suffered a pretty horrific leg injury. I think a lot of perception today is still placed around how he was prior to the injury. His athleticism has taken a noticeable hit since, and it’s really a shame that such an unfortunate event had to take place.
Size: A
One of Treadwell’s top assets is his combination of height, thickness, and strength. I have pulled those size numbers from WalterFootball, whom I trust to be fairly accurate with that sort of thing (so if you have a gripe with those numbers, that’s where I got ‘em from). He appears to be closer to be 6’3” on his video, but even if he isn’t, he plays with that kind of size. Simply put, Treadwell has all the bodily assets one could ask for, and he uses them well.
Hands: C+
Over a quite large sample (8 games, more than any other player), Treadwell registered a surprisingly below-average drop rate. For that kind of rate in a vacuum, I’d hand out something like a C-, but his hands are strong (not large, surprisingly), which I think should bump him up. And while a lot of those drops came from contested catches, his ability to make grabs (with decent hand size and exceptional strength) leads one to believe that his problem with drops comes from poor concentration, which I imagine is probably the case. As I’ve said previously with Corey Coleman, you just can’t rely on a guy to break those habits of concentration drops (although obviously they can be fixed, and Coleman's issues are worse). To sum it up, Treadwell’s hands enable him to make plays that some guys can’t, but that doesn’t make him reliable.
Route Running: C
Amazingly enough, when you go through eight whole games of him, you’re bound to find good routes of many types. I gave him 16 routes “ran well” when going through these games, and at a glance that doesn’t sound bad. But to put that number into context, I gave Josh Doctson 16 in just his Texas Tech game. Sample size and competition were insanely beneficial to the number (it just kind of naturally confounds the measure a bit even though I don’t judge routes at all on how they fare against defenders), but that’s still an enormous disparity. I think below C would be a totally unfair grade to give Treadwell: he didn’t run routes “well” often, but he didn’t run them poorly very often either.
Anyway, to get into why his numbers look like they do in this category, he’s just not great at these routes. There are plenty of examples of his routes being slow, sloppy, and just generally unexciting. Treadwell’s post-injury athleticism just doesn’t allow him to be fast on his routes, which you obviously can’t blame him for, but it’s still the case. Part of the problem is, however, that the part he can control, the path and tightness of his routes, is not very good either. He rounds posts and corners often, which forces him to cover more ground, and allows DBs to stay on top of him better. His out cuts, in the small samples available, were surprisingly good, but he ruined (it’s a strong word, but a good descriptor) a lot of those routes by spending all of his time after cutting searching for the ball. Dig routes were pretty ugly most of the time, where it looked like he was initially trying to run a post before making a second 45 degree cut. As for curls, he actually ran them better when Ole Miss ran the ball. He sprinted harder into his cuts on those, and turned tighter, too. Maybe he can just transfer those to the passing game? I don’t know, that was weird.
I couldn’t come up with a natural way to include this, but I wanted to give Treadwell credit for a good slant here. Anyway, a quick note on that slant route of his: on video, they actually look really good a lot. The cause of that, however, is in how he runs them- his cut is made on the line (or a step off), not while running. I feel fairly confident that most receivers can make a route turning their foot and running in a straight line look really good.
With all that said, let’s sum up where he is with where his route tree is right now. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt on his curls and outs. His posts and corners are satisfactory. Treadwell’s aforementioned lack of speed makes him not much of a threat on deep fades, but with his ball skills, he’s a great threat on back-shoulder, red-zone type fades. That makes 2 routes that he’s good at, 3 that he’s okay at, and 3 (counting the comeback which I haven’t really seen him run) that need work.
Ball Skills: A
Treadwell’s ability to go up for balls is the reason why people love him. His strength, size, and hands allow him to dominate defensive backs on 50-50 balls. This elite skill reserves Treadwell at least a decent role on the field, where he can be a red-zone threat at the very least, and also can somewhat make up for other deficiencies (though not all). There’s not a lot else to discuss here; he’s awesome at this stuff, but he’s not Calvin Johnson, so no A+. Let’s look at a bit of a highlight reel, since I’m too lazy to embed these into my writing:
Vs Alabama (‘14)
‘Bama again
vs Florida (‘15)
vs Vandy (‘15)- nice body control too
vs Oklahoma State (‘15)- you’d like to see him reach out for it, but he really couldn’t in that instance
vs Auburn (not sure which year)
After the Catch: B
Treadwell won’t be pulling away from defensive backs with speed, and won’t be juking guys with agility, but he’s still pretty good with the ball in his hands. Again, his strength enables him to generate yards that he shouldn’t be getting- he breaks tackles at an exceptional rate and can occasionally throw stiff arms (he didn’t shake guys with agility like that very much) to keep tacklers off of him. Some of his ability to break tackles will be hindered when he goes up against NFL tacklers, but the same case can be made for guys who beat tacklers in other ways.
Release: B+
I’m not the best with judging how guys get off the line, but I’m certain that Laquon is above average here. My basic way of judging players’ aptitudes in this area is seeing (a) how fast they run off the line when untouched, (b) how well they address pressing corners, and (c) what/how many tools they use to beat those pressing corners. I assumed that he’d be good using strength to get past weaker guys trying to flatten him at the line, and that assumption was largely true. The surprise came to me when seeing that at many times he could beat his man with agility and acceleration. I’m careful to use “acceleration” here instead of speed, because the rate at which he gets off is what sheds him from his man, not just his speed. He isn’t spectacular at getting by DBs and speeding off the line, but I’m not worried about it at all. It should be noted that his releases in 2014 (with his full athleticism) looked a fair amount better than those in 2015.
Athleticism: D+
Let the record show I had a really hard time choosing between C- and D+. His lack of speed has been very widely discussed, and argued on both sides (“40 times essentially don’t matter” vs “they don’t not measure your speed”). My opinion on the importance of this issue resides somewhere in the middle of these two sides: a 40 time isn’t everything, but if you’re not a spectacular cutter, you’re in a damn better position when getting open if you’re Corey Coleman. More simply put, bad routes + being slow = not open. Treadwell just didn’t hit the threshold you'd like to see a receiver hit in the 40 (especially given that was timed at his pro day.) The 4.63 was about what I expected, however, so it was more of a confirmation than a damning, perception-changing result.
An additional concern comes when looking at the rest of his actual combine numbers. That lack of explosiveness is very not-good.
His acceleration looks pretty good, which enables him to get off the line well, but that’s really the only attribute I see being above average. Unfortunately, I couldn’t find any shuttles or cone drills from his workouts in my less-than-thorough search for combine results, so I didn't find anything to verify that feeling quantitatively.
His athleticism is just pretty bad. He is strong football-wise (he looks stronger than his 23rd percentile bench suggests) and agile, but that’s about it in the “pro” category. This is easily my biggest problem, or at least source, as it plays a big part in route running.
Special category- My hot-take on production and competition
A big supporting point of his is that he’s been producing in the SEC. I think that this is an overrated factor. These are the only “elite” SEC defenses in my eyes from the last two years: LSU, Alabama, Ole Miss (I’m actually not sure, but they don’t matter here anyway since Robert Nkemdiche and Treadwell obviously never played against each other), and Florida (more so in ‘15 than ‘14). You can tell me Auburn belongs on that list, and I can tell you that they gave up 35 to South Carolina in 2014 and 34 to Idaho in 2015. They are not a great defense (though not bad necessarily). Arkansas was also pretty good this year, so I'll include them too. Anyway, let’s look at his production these last two years against these teams:
Year-vs Rec Yards TD
14- Alabama 5 55 1
14- LSU 4 71 0
15- Alabama 5 80 1
15- Florida 5 52 0
15- Arkansas 7 132 1
15- LSU 4 58 1
As you can see, his only real standout game came against Arkansas. In those other games, his highest totals were 80 yards and 5 catches. I understand giving a definite edge to someone playing tougher defenses (mostly when putting up similar numbers), but that edge can be all but thrown out the window when Josh Doctson is out here putting up 18 catches and 267 yards on fools. We’re obviously comparing apples to oranges here, but the differences in production between Treadwell and other top-level receivers are so large that I don't think you can give Treadwell a major bump at all for his competition.
Run Blocking: whoopty do
He won't be taken off the field because of a lack of ability in this department, so that is all that actually matters from our perspective. The big hits are aesthetically pleasing, but you (probably) don't score fantasy points with pancakes.
Full disclosure: I began writing this in February and my lazy ass has made it so that I’m doing this again in April. My point in saying this is that I’ve thought about this for a very long time.
During the season, I had him as my #1 receiver because, frankly, I hadn’t watched him hardly at all, and thought the hype (I don’t mean “hype” in a negative way here, just can’t think of a better word)-that originated from the previous season, before his injury- must’ve meant that he should easily be the #1. However, I was pretty unexcited with what I saw with him then while I had developed googoo eyes over Leonte Carroo and Josh Doctson. Then around December and January I got to watch him a lot more, and started thinking more for myself. I was pretty certain that he was not even a top three receiver for me. Coming back to this now, I’ve read through and edited, watch his videos again, and have come back with a slightly different perspective. He’s still my number four receiver (I’ll elaborate there in a bit), but I appreciate what he does more. That is to say that I think putting him that low is based more on actual reason than a little bit of contrarian tendency (I know I'm like this at times) at this point. Now let me talk about why I think this.
In my eyes, Treadwell has a relatively low fantasy ceiling. Not being able to get open consistently is very bad for a receiver’s production, and it is very likely that he will have trouble separating. He can make excellent plays when thrown to covered, but he’s not gonna get thrown to all that much when not open, and of those throws, he’s still not going to catch 100% of them. It just seems very hard for him to rack up yardage with his defender draped on him. With that said, he should certainly be a red zone threat regardless, and an above average threat after-the-catch. I’ll further this by saying that I fully expect him to be a better NFL receiver than fantasy receiver.
I don’t really like making player comps, but a profile feels incomplete without one. He’s been compared most to Dez Bryant, Alshon Jeffery, and Kenny Britt. Honestly, the Bryant one is mostly crap to me. I think the most accurate placement for him is somewhere between Britt (who was not a bad player) and Jeffery. Remember that this is strictly in terms of play style, and not production.
To reiterate what I feel I’ve said a couple times, Treadwell has a very high floor and a relatively (when compared to players at the draft slot of 1.02 and 1.03) low ceiling. I’ve explained my reasoning there already. I think that, even put in a great system, he’s not gonna set the world on fire. On the other hand, he’s a damn good player, and I really can’t see him failing, unless his leg pulls some bullshit again. And for all this reason, in that I want guys with great upside, I have him below Josh Doctson, Leonte Carroo, and Michael Thomas (by the way, I need to revisit Thomas, so he might end up being lower than Treadwell after all). There’s also the potential that Shepard jumps him, but I hiiiiiiighly doubt that; I just can’t count it out because I haven’t seen enough of Shepard yet. Keep in mind that Carroo and Doctson are my lovechildren also.
Anyway, this puts Treadwell at #4 among my receivers and #5 overall. When I write this stuff I feel like it’s being anti-him or being a “hater” by the sort of norms (for lack of a better word) that the community has set. In reality though, I think he’s really good, and I’m rooting for him! I want to keep reiterating that. But I won’t be owning him anywhere, I’m afraid.
So, if nothing else please read this the whole way through. I've spent way too much time, collectively, on this already, and I’m not going to put up with being shit on by people who didn’t read my full reasoning behind all this. Also, if you have any questions or want to see any more of something please let me know!
edit: a very good point that koz has brought up below is his age. I addressed that to him in the comments, and for here on out I think I'll integrate an age discussion in these.
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